By
Ellen Nakashima, Karoun Demirjian and Devlin Barrett
March
20, 2017
FBI Director James B. Comey on Monday said
there is “no information” that supports President Trump’s claims that his
predecessor ordered surveillance of Trump Tower during the election campaign.
“I have no information that supports those
tweets,’’ said Comey, testifying at the House Intelligence Committee’s first
public hearing on Russian interference in the 2016 campaign. “We have looked
carefully inside the FBI,’’ and agents found nothing to support those claims,
he said.
The hearing comes amid the controversy fired
up by Trump more than two weeks ago when he tweeted, without providing
evidence, that President Barack Obama had ordered his phones tapped at Trump
Tower.
Under questioning from the top Democrat on
the panel, Rep. Adam Schiff (Calif.), Comey said no president could order such
surveillance. He added that the Justice Department had asked him to also tell
the committee that that agency has no such information, either.
Comey also acknowledged the existence of a
counterintelligence investigation into the Russian government’s efforts to
interfere in the 2016 election, and said that probe extends to the nature of
any links between Trump campaign associates and the Russian government.
Comey said the investigation is also
exploring whether there was any coordination between the campaign and the
Kremlin, and “whether any crimes were committed.”
The acknowledgment was an unusual move, given
that the FBI’s practice is not to confirm the existence of ongoing
investigations. “But in unusual circumstances, where it is in the public
interest,” Comey said, “it may be appropriate to do so.”
Comey said he had been authorized by the
Justice Department to confirm the wide-ranging probe’s existence.
He spoke at the intelligence committee
hearing along with National Security Agency head Michael S. Rogers.
Comey and Rogers predicted Russian
intelligence agencies will continue to seek to meddle with U.S. political
campaigns, because they view their work in the 2016 presidential race as
successful.
“They’ll be back in 2020, they may be back in
2018,’’ Comey said. “One of the lessons they may draw from this is that they
were successful, introducing chaos and discord” into the electoral process.
“It’s possible they’re misreading that as ‘it
worked,’ so we’ll come back and hit them again in 2020,” Comey added.
Rogers agreed: “I fully expect they will
maintain this level of activity.” And, he said, Moscow is conducting a similar
“active measures” campaign in Europe, where France and Germany are holding
elections this year.
Trump and the committee’s Republicans seemed
most exercised by leaks to the media. Information shared with the press have
resulted in a series of stories over the last month and a half about contacts
Trump administration officials or close associates had with Russian officials.
One story in particular that apparently upset
the Republicans was a Feb. 9 piece by The Washington Post reporting that
Trump’s national security advisor, Michael Flynn, discussed the subject of
sanctions with the Russian ambassador, Sergey Kislyak, in the month before
Trump took office. The Post reported that the discussions were monitored under
routine, court-approved monitoring of Kislyak’s calls. Flynn, who had denied to
Vice President Pence that he had spoken about sanctions, was forced to resign.
Rep. Trey Gowdy (R-S.C.) suggested that the
leaks were political. He asked Comey if the intelligence community had shared
such information with former Attorney General Loretta Lynch, or Obama.
Comey, who had acknowledged that in general
senior officials, including Lynch, would have access to such information, said
he would not comment on his conversations with Obama or Trump.
As the hearing was going on — in an apparent
dig at Comey and carrying the suggestion that Obama administration officials
were behind the leaks — Trump’s presidential Twitter account tweeted out “FBI
Director Comey refuses to deny he briefed President Obama on calls made by
Michael Flynn to Russia.”
Just hours before the start of the hearing,
Trump posted a series of tweets claiming Democrats “made up” the allegations of
Russian contacts in an attempt to discredit the GOP during the presidential
campaign. Trump also urged federal investigators to shift their focus to probe
disclosures of classified material.
“The real story that Congress, the FBI and
all others should be looking into is the leaking of Classified information,”
Trump wrote early Monday. “Must find leaker now!”
Nunes sought an admission from the officials
that the leaks were illegal under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court
act, the law that governs foreign intelligence-gathering on U.S. soil or of
U.S. persons overseas.
“Yes,” Comey answered. “In addition to being
a breach of our trust with the FISA court.”
Rep. Tom Rooney (R-Fla.) pressed Rogers to
clarify under what circumstances it would be legitimate for Americans caught on
tape speaking with people under surveillance to have their identities disclosed
publicly, and whether leaking those identities would “hurt or help”
intelligence collection.
“Hurt,” Rogers noted.
Rogers stressed that the identities of U.S.
persons picked up through “incidental collection” – that being the way
intelligence officials picked up on Flynn’s phone calls with Kislyak – are
disclosed only on a “valid, need to know” basis, and usually only when there is
a criminal activity or potential threat to the United States at play.
Rogers added that there are a total of 20
people in the NSA he has delegated to make decisions about when someone’s
identity can be unmasked.
Comey did confirm that the NSA, CIA, FBI,
main Justice Department and others – including personnel in the White House in
some situations – could have access to unmasked names of U.S. persons.
But he stressed that only the collecting
agency can unmask the identities of people. Others with whom the information is
shared “can ask the collectors to unmask,” he said – but can’t do it on their
own.
GOP members fretted that the leaks to the
media would complicate the effort by lawmakers to renew Section 702 of the
Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, which allows the government to collect
through U.S. companies general categories of foreign intelligence contained in
phone calls, emails and other electronic communications when one end of the
communication is overseas.
Comey rejected the suggestion.
“This conversation has nothing to do with
702,” he protested. “702 is about targeting non-U.S. persons overseas. The FBI
can apply to collect electronic surveillance in the United States [on
individual targets], but it’s a different thing from 702.”
Comey declined to say whether any officials
had sought approval from the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court to monitor
anyone in the Trump campaign, saying he did not want to discuss the workings of
the highly secretive court. Individuals familiar with the investigation, who
spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss a sensitive matter, have said there
was no such request made during the campaign.
The FBI probe combines an investigation into
hacking operations by Russian spy agencies with efforts to understand how the
Kremlin sought to manipulate public opinion and influence the election’s
outcome
In January, the intelligence community
released a report concluding that Russian President Vladimir Putin wanted to
not only undermine the legitimacy of the election process but also harm the
campaign of Hillary Clinton and boost Trump’s chances of winning.
Hackers working for Russian spy agencies
penetrated the computers of the Democratic National Committee in 2015 and 2016
as well as the email accounts of Democratic officials, intelligence official
said in the report. The material was relayed to WikiLeaks, the officials said,
and the anti-secrecy group began a series of damaging email releases just
before the Democratic National Convention that continued through the fall.
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